Gerbil The Sinner

I've decided that instead of my usual blunt insults, I'll just go ahead and elaborate, in detail, why I find this IM conversation to be total whodungery.

No. But, this is a matter of opinion, so no criticism here.

Because, naturally, all Kamen Riders and tokusatsu heroes are in homosexual relationships. If someone uses gay as an insult and is not being satirical, he has the intelligence of a fire ant, along with any lack of said ant's proportional strength.

The man shows clear ignorance. Psyga has been given the opportunity to turn the discussion to his favor, and win the expected debate.

Once again, another stupid statement. While this may be true, this can be said about every genre of entertainment. People in their fifties also enjoy books, movies, cartoons, and sitcoms. Psyga's still in the clear. He could prove this boy stupid and come off as a clear intellectual badass.

D'OH!

Right here is the beginning of a common error: treating anime as if it were a genre. Animation in general is NOT a genre. It is a medium of storytelling. This right here is like saying all movies are exactly the same, or all books are exactly the same.

Psyga's made a pretty dumb mistake here, but his friend is quite possibly even LESS informed. At this point, the debate is still in his hands, but Psyga's very deep in the hole, even if neither of them realize it.

Psyga has once again taken an excellent opportunity to gain the upper hand by making himself look worse. What he's displayed here is blatant fanboyism- not taking anything into account just because of personal preference. While it may be true that American storytelling has significantly altered the methods of tokusatsu stories during adaptation, it could be argued (again, based on preference) that these stories are unique enough in their own right to be legitimate efforts and not, in fact, "ruined" toku.

After all, how many people still fawn over VR Troopers?

If the Sentai franchise is hurt, in your eyes, by Power Rangers, then that gives a sense of false security as a fan: especially when, on the whole, the PR universe and Super Sentai universe are completely different beasts. They also greatly differ in storytelling style, and while one may not like one or the other, their actual narrative integrity CAN be recognized. Psyga does not address this, and instead uses the typical "America ruins everything" scapegoat that the anime fan would be familiar with.

Also interesting of note is that, despite the fact he has never seen it, he praises Kamen Rider Dragon Knight. We've all seen the trailer, yes, but we can only predict so much. Psyga speaks in absolutes here, and the actual truth is much deeper. Psyga has now put himself on equal ground with his fairly idiotic companion by not recognizing the differences in storytelling styles and how they can be appreciated in multiple ways.

I shouldn't have to explain WHY this is stupid. He assumes that quality is based solely on quantity, and doesn't seem to recognize the fact that the "nonexistent characters" have voice actors that ARE bound by contract.

He has now gone below Psyga. Let's carry on.

Following him up on his crappy argument can only mean that you find it a legitimate one, as evidenced by the rest of the IM. This puts you on his level because you yourself do not make the distinction between quality and quantity. His argument now controls the debate, putting you at a disadvantage.

Interestingly enough (Although not surprising), the main focus here is shonen anime. While this genre may be the most popular, it again does not encompass the full spectrum of stories told by Japanese animation. But, the fact that you already subtly accept anime as a genre and not a medium of storytelling makes all of this in perfect context against your argument.

You laid your own trap, and at this point Naruto4Ever has the upper hand.


Interestingly enough, this hurts the both of you. Not only does it break both of your perceptions of anime (focusing only on shonen anime, rather now focusing on a mahou shoujo series), the series just mentioned is actually part of a genre that is very similar to tokusatsu. On one hand, he's proving your point that tokusatsu is a good genre, but on the other hand, your failure to recognize this has placed you further behind in the argument.

Sailor Moon being mentioned, alone, could have proven your point. The mahou shoujo genre is essentially animated tokusatsu for girls, and drawing comparisons between this and, say, Super Sentai or another franchise (perhaps even its own live action Pretty Guardian Sailor Moon) could've made your love of tokusatsu legitimate.

...At the same time, it could've disproved your point because you'd now have to accept animation as an art form rather than a genre, which means not all anime is "essentially the same".

So, you're still in the hole regardless.


Useless bit.


This is the poorest argument I've ever seen in my life. For being a total fuckstick, he's now gone lower down. I wouldn't say you'd be in the lead at this point, but you're damn close.

This killed you. This really killed you, and I say this as someone who doesn't even like Naruto. Let's analyze this closer.

Although popularity does not equal quality, this argument is at least decent. It at least establishes an appreciation for the Kamen Rider franchise and shows it might be SOMETHING worth watching.

Fair point.

You're basically faulting a series for developing its characters. This is a literary no no, because it lets you feel for the characters. Mindless ninja violence is fun, but the motivations behind the characters give you reason to care.

And you're speaking about something that, historically, you probably know little about. You'd be surprised how complex the personalities of people like soldiers or other types of military fighters are. This small statement is just clear ignorance on your part.


But they have feelings. You're not a ninja or an assassin, so do not attest to the psychological aspect of taking the life of another human being.

This made me laugh. First off, on a thematic level, the fox spirit merely serves as a plot device to separate Naruto from the rest of his village, to make him an outcast. No, people cannot literally relate to having a demon fox inside of them, but they COULD relate to something beyond their control that made them feel like outcasts. Here, you're thinking too literally about the plot and you prove you don't know what you're talking about.

As for Gaara, while I don't want to admit it, his personality does change rather drastically over the course of the series. His battle with Naruto changes him to the point where he tries to redeem himself and becomes an ally to the Leaf Shinobi during the battle with the Sound Four (five? I can't remember).

So, you just proved that you don't understand literary themes, or at the very least blind yourself to them when you don't like something. Which...

...Gives you no credibility here. Who cares? If you can't notice the themes and artistic styling of your opponent's favorite work, why should he even think you understand your own? If you made such ignorant statements about Naruto and even misinterpreted an integral piece of symbolism within your own sentence, are you really going to be able to give a good argument about Kamen Rider?



Okay, he makes himself look stupid here too. Never mind the fact that neither of you realize that the plural of ninja is ninja, but now he's saying that real ninja are boring, despite previously claiming they were awesome. He contradicts himself, but his intellectual failings have yet to match yours.

You're asking if he'd rather watch a show with character development that was more important than action. This contradicts your claims concerning Kamen Rider, or at the very least, questions your taste. If you find the emotional displays of Naruto characters to be worthless, then why should we believe you that Kamen Rider characters have their own sense of depth, since you don't even seem to have a taste for it. Or at least, don't DISPLAY a taste for emotional story telling.

You're also over exaggerating both the amount of filler content and the lengths of the average Naruto fight.

Good answer.

Coming from the person who, in this conversation, displays no skill to relate to emotional themes in a story, stereotypes what he doesn't like, and makes whiny videos on the internet that makes himself look like an idiot.

While his logic was utterly horrible, he still somewhat managed to legitimize his belief concerning Naruto. Only in comparison to what you said, however.

Weird ending, and it makes him look stupid, but at this point it didn't matter. This conversation was like two retards debating over who had the best piece of candy while neither realized they actually had furniture.

Disaace

and now you all know their AIM addresses...

EDIT: Gerbil, I found your analysis completely accurate and funny to boot. Good Job!

Question

Rep points.

Oh wait, wrong board...

Still, though. Awesome.

Gerbil The Sinner

Well, I do have Spider power.

Question

And you've also got the flu!

Gerbil The Sinner

That doesn't matter!

I've got spider power!

Disaace

Right, our little superhero.

Gerbil The Sinner

When the Vulture gets away with his villainous deeds, you'll see!

You'll all see!

Psyga315

Ya, take note. I got this from a Henshin Justice post, I had nothing to do with this chat. Nice analysis though.

VX3000

I finally found out what's more lame than an IM thread; An IM thread that's been regurgitated to another message board.

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